• Rogan repeatedly expresses horror at the scale of destruction and civilian deaths in Gaza (“tens of thousands dead, entire cities leveled… it looks insane”).
• He questions why Israel couldn’t be more precise or show more restraint.
• Brendan O'Neill pushes back aggressively:
  • Argues that Israel has shown extraordinary restraint compared to how any other country (including the US or UK) has ever fought urban warfare against an enemy that uses human shields.
  • Says the focus on Gaza’s death toll while ignoring Hamas’s October 7 atrocities and the fact that Hamas wants high civilian casualties is evidence of a double standard.
  • Accuses much of the global outrage of being rooted in anti-Semitism or “Israel derangement syndrome” rather than genuine humanitarian concern.
  • Repeatedly says things like “If this was any other country, no one would bat an eyelid” and “You only care because it’s Jews doing the killing.”
• Rogan tries to clarify he’s not anti-Israel or pro-Hamas, just shocked by the images and death toll, but O'Neill keeps interrupting and reframing it as moral equivalence or naivety.

Tone: It gets quite tense. Rogan sounds frustrated at times (“I’m not saying that!”), while O'Neill is unrelenting and speaks in very sharp, declarative bursts. Many listeners felt Rogan was on the defensive for large portions of this section.

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